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		<title>By: Das war FOTB 2009 » GELB der Powerflasher Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Das war FOTB 2009 » GELB der Powerflasher Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 09:49:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] (daf&#252;r aber mit FDT) (EN) Der Trailer zu Flash on the Beach (EN) Marc Hibbins: The Beach &amp; Day Two &amp; Day Three (EN) FlashMagazine: Day 3, Day 2 &amp; Day 1 (EN) Adobe Flash CS5 Viper Preview [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Marc Hibbins</title>
		<link>http://blog.marchibbins.com/2009/09/24/day-two/comment-page-1/#comment-463</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc Hibbins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 07:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cheers, Nick!</description>
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		<title>By: Nick Kuh</title>
		<link>http://blog.marchibbins.com/2009/09/24/day-two/comment-page-1/#comment-461</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Kuh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 19:37:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Marc

Glad to hear my 3 minute message on ActionScript to Objective-C struck a chord with one or 2 members of the audience :-)

Here&#039;s the video in case anyone else wants to see it:

http://www.nickkuh.com/index.php/flash-flex-air/my-3-minutes-on-stage-at-flash-on-the-beach-09/2009/09/

Thanks

Nick</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Marc</p>
<p>Glad to hear my 3 minute message on ActionScript to Objective-C struck a chord with one or 2 members of the audience <img src='http://blog.marchibbins.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the video in case anyone else wants to see it:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nickkuh.com/index.php/flash-flex-air/my-3-minutes-on-stage-at-flash-on-the-beach-09/2009/09/" rel="nofollow">http://www.nickkuh.com/index.php/flash-flex-air/my-3-minutes-on-stage-at-flash-on-the-beach-09/2009/09/</a></p>
<p>Thanks</p>
<p>Nick</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Kuh - Flex Developer - Ideas and Rants &#187; Blog Archive &#187; My 3 minutes on stage at Flash on the Beach 09</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Kuh - Flex Developer - Ideas and Rants &#187; Blog Archive &#187; My 3 minutes on stage at Flash on the Beach 09</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: &#187; Day Three Marc Hibbins</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#187; Day Three Marc Hibbins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:57:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Marc Hibbins</title>
		<link>http://blog.marchibbins.com/2009/09/24/day-two/comment-page-1/#comment-430</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc Hibbins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 12:17:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Des,

Thanks for the reply.

As I said I still agree with every point you made, likewise your comment.

I think you&#039;ve actually hit the nail on the head as to where our disagreement comes from, where you&#039;ve said:

&lt;blockquote&gt;We weren’t necessarily saying “You guys need to know this” so much as “This is what modern web development is like in OUR world”.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And the problem being that at the time it did indeed feel as if it was your intention to make us aware of these technical capabilities, vis; the things that Flash or holistically what creativity can achieve - that just because it&#039;s on the Web doesn&#039;t mean it has to be boring - rather than that there are &lt;em&gt;others&lt;/em&gt; unaware of that (and/or unaware of us).

Not to say even, that this is a reflection upon your presentation as much as probably because it was received at the end of a day full of instructional talks and tutorials!

Cheers,
Marc</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Des,</p>
<p>Thanks for the reply.</p>
<p>As I said I still agree with every point you made, likewise your comment.</p>
<p>I think you&#8217;ve actually hit the nail on the head as to where our disagreement comes from, where you&#8217;ve said:</p>
<blockquote><p>We weren’t necessarily saying “You guys need to know this” so much as “This is what modern web development is like in OUR world”.</p></blockquote>
<p>And the problem being that at the time it did indeed feel as if it was your intention to make us aware of these technical capabilities, vis; the things that Flash or holistically what creativity can achieve &#8211; that just because it&#8217;s on the Web doesn&#8217;t mean it has to be boring &#8211; rather than that there are <em>others</em> unaware of that (and/or unaware of us).</p>
<p>Not to say even, that this is a reflection upon your presentation as much as probably because it was received at the end of a day full of instructional talks and tutorials!</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Marc</p>
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		<title>By: Des Traynor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Des Traynor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 11:34:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Marc, 

Thanks for this. 

I&#039;d just like to explain myself a bit better than I did on stage. 

1. &quot;Outdated examples&quot; -- all of the examples used are live valid websites right now. Most of them receive an awful lot of traffic. If they&#039;re outdated in that &quot;Flash developers know better&quot; -- fair enough. But we weren&#039;t necessarily saying &quot;You guys need to know this&quot; so much as &quot;This is what modern web development is like in OUR world&quot;.


2. Regarding the site that &quot;uses flash for  the wrong reasons&quot;. This wasn&#039;t supposed to be an example of &quot;effective and considered flash usage&quot; it was an example of how doing something unconventional can get you attention. That portfolio page has been a smash hit, linked up all over the place. Try telling the author he should have been more informed in his usage of flash and thoughtful navigation. That&#039;s the point I was making. 

3. I did indeed say the web is &quot;moving towards multimedia&quot;. I believe that. A more considered statement would be &quot;from the point of view of a modern successful web agency shipping web applications to clients, multimedia is certainly emerging as a very popular feature&quot;. 

Considering it&#039;s blatant technical superiority in some areas, Flash has remained a bystander in most popular web applications, used to render video and audio, but little else. In &quot;my&quot; world, things like jQuery have ran riot for the ease at which they can be used, where as Flex has still remained something for &quot;flash guys&quot;. 

As I said, &quot;my world&quot; is starting to be requested more and more RIA type technology, which means that we&#039;re theoretically in trouble. That was where the pen-knife/flamethrower line came from. 

Hope that makes sense to you. 
Des</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Marc, </p>
<p>Thanks for this. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d just like to explain myself a bit better than I did on stage. </p>
<p>1. &#8220;Outdated examples&#8221; &#8212; all of the examples used are live valid websites right now. Most of them receive an awful lot of traffic. If they&#8217;re outdated in that &#8220;Flash developers know better&#8221; &#8212; fair enough. But we weren&#8217;t necessarily saying &#8220;You guys need to know this&#8221; so much as &#8220;This is what modern web development is like in OUR world&#8221;.</p>
<p>2. Regarding the site that &#8220;uses flash for  the wrong reasons&#8221;. This wasn&#8217;t supposed to be an example of &#8220;effective and considered flash usage&#8221; it was an example of how doing something unconventional can get you attention. That portfolio page has been a smash hit, linked up all over the place. Try telling the author he should have been more informed in his usage of flash and thoughtful navigation. That&#8217;s the point I was making. </p>
<p>3. I did indeed say the web is &#8220;moving towards multimedia&#8221;. I believe that. A more considered statement would be &#8220;from the point of view of a modern successful web agency shipping web applications to clients, multimedia is certainly emerging as a very popular feature&#8221;. </p>
<p>Considering it&#8217;s blatant technical superiority in some areas, Flash has remained a bystander in most popular web applications, used to render video and audio, but little else. In &#8220;my&#8221; world, things like jQuery have ran riot for the ease at which they can be used, where as Flex has still remained something for &#8220;flash guys&#8221;. </p>
<p>As I said, &#8220;my world&#8221; is starting to be requested more and more RIA type technology, which means that we&#8217;re theoretically in trouble. That was where the pen-knife/flamethrower line came from. </p>
<p>Hope that makes sense to you.<br />
Des</p>
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		<title>By: &#187; The Beach Marc Hibbins</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#187; The Beach Marc Hibbins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 22:05:33 +0000</pubDate>
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