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	<description>RIAs, Web standards and the Semantic Web</description>
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		<title>By: Chat and Business &#171; Marc Hibbins</title>
		<link>http://blog.marchibbins.com/2008/10/20/everybodys-talkin/comment-page-1/#comment-34</link>
		<dc:creator>Chat and Business &#171; Marc Hibbins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 08:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] any - of introducing any Semantic Web technologies to their platform. It&#8217;s something I was recently asked about after writing my last post, but it wasn&#8217;t really the right [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] any &#8211; of introducing any Semantic Web technologies to their platform. It&#8217;s something I was recently asked about after writing my last post, but it wasn&#8217;t really the right [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Hibbins</title>
		<link>http://blog.marchibbins.com/2008/10/20/everybodys-talkin/comment-page-1/#comment-33</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc Hibbins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 10:12:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hopefully the onset will be too great to ignore, but yes - it&#039;d almost be a complete reinvention. It&#039;s more likely they&#039;ll attempt to bolt on semantic technologies in and around the existing infrastructure in an attempt to do what the semantic search engines can do &lt;em&gt;on top&lt;/em&gt; of what they already do so well.

The other argument to consider is the imposition of introducing Semantic technologies - in the same way any new technology is introduced. The RWW article from my previous comment quotes Tim Berners-Lee well - where SearchMonkey and some engines look for semantic data in web pages, Hakia for example, doesn&#039;t rely on Web authors having to have put that data there in the first place - it analyses natural language.

It&#039;s still keenly debated whether the &#039;top down&#039; or &#039;bottom up&#039; approach to the Semantic Web is best - whether to code semantics at the data level or develop systems to mine/extract semantics from already existing data - or whether it&#039;s even such a strict dichotomy. Whichever; I think Google are definitely at one end and said search engines like Hakia, True Knowledge and Powerset are at the other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hopefully the onset will be too great to ignore, but yes &#8211; it&#8217;d almost be a complete reinvention. It&#8217;s more likely they&#8217;ll attempt to bolt on semantic technologies in and around the existing infrastructure in an attempt to do what the semantic search engines can do <em>on top</em> of what they already do so well.</p>
<p>The other argument to consider is the imposition of introducing Semantic technologies &#8211; in the same way any new technology is introduced. The RWW article from my previous comment quotes Tim Berners-Lee well &#8211; where SearchMonkey and some engines look for semantic data in web pages, Hakia for example, doesn&#8217;t rely on Web authors having to have put that data there in the first place &#8211; it analyses natural language.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s still keenly debated whether the &#8216;top down&#8217; or &#8216;bottom up&#8217; approach to the Semantic Web is best &#8211; whether to code semantics at the data level or develop systems to mine/extract semantics from already existing data &#8211; or whether it&#8217;s even such a strict dichotomy. Whichever; I think Google are definitely at one end and said search engines like Hakia, True Knowledge and Powerset are at the other.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry</title>
		<link>http://blog.marchibbins.com/2008/10/20/everybodys-talkin/comment-page-1/#comment-32</link>
		<dc:creator>Barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 09:40:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s interesting. Google must have seen this coming, but as their search platform is so fundamentally different, do you think they&#039;re ignoring it on a larger scale because it&#039;s quite a departure from their existing technologies? It&#039;s looking now as though they should have invested more steadily and heavily in this over the last few years or so, wouldn&#039;t you say?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s interesting. Google must have seen this coming, but as their search platform is so fundamentally different, do you think they&#8217;re ignoring it on a larger scale because it&#8217;s quite a departure from their existing technologies? It&#8217;s looking now as though they should have invested more steadily and heavily in this over the last few years or so, wouldn&#8217;t you say?</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Hibbins</title>
		<link>http://blog.marchibbins.com/2008/10/20/everybodys-talkin/comment-page-1/#comment-31</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc Hibbins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 09:27:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Barry,

I know Google previously used Semantic technology to power their AdSense and AdWords services, but I think the processing was far too slow to function for their main search platform at the time. I think more than anything it would be a ridiculously huge overhaul to attempt to reconstruct Google for semantic search, same as Yahoo! - that&#039;s why they launched SearchMonkey separately.

Google&#039;s search algorithm grew from the complete opposite of semantic understanding - to match keywords and patterns, honed to almost &#039;guess&#039; what the user intends - it&#039;s affected the fundamental way we enter search terms so it seems strange to ask literal questions to engines like True Knowledge or Hakia. But it&#039;s those kind of new platforms that really rival Google with natural language processing at least - though I&#039;ve no doubt there&#039;s some semantic technology under the hood at Google - tagging pages I&#039;m sure, dealing with ambiguity and synonyms, etc - even if the index isn&#039;t wholly semantic.

Even before these search engines achieve the White Rabbit &lt;em&gt;complete and universal&lt;/em&gt; natural language understanding, they&#039;re challenging the core concepts of search by performing &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/hakia_takes_on_google_semantic_search.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;sentence analysis over keyword analysis&lt;/a&gt; at the very least - Google are surely going to have to respond some way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Barry,</p>
<p>I know Google previously used Semantic technology to power their AdSense and AdWords services, but I think the processing was far too slow to function for their main search platform at the time. I think more than anything it would be a ridiculously huge overhaul to attempt to reconstruct Google for semantic search, same as Yahoo! &#8211; that&#8217;s why they launched SearchMonkey separately.</p>
<p>Google&#8217;s search algorithm grew from the complete opposite of semantic understanding &#8211; to match keywords and patterns, honed to almost &#8216;guess&#8217; what the user intends &#8211; it&#8217;s affected the fundamental way we enter search terms so it seems strange to ask literal questions to engines like True Knowledge or Hakia. But it&#8217;s those kind of new platforms that really rival Google with natural language processing at least &#8211; though I&#8217;ve no doubt there&#8217;s some semantic technology under the hood at Google &#8211; tagging pages I&#8217;m sure, dealing with ambiguity and synonyms, etc &#8211; even if the index isn&#8217;t wholly semantic.</p>
<p>Even before these search engines achieve the White Rabbit <em>complete and universal</em> natural language understanding, they&#8217;re challenging the core concepts of search by performing <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/hakia_takes_on_google_semantic_search.php" rel="nofollow">sentence analysis over keyword analysis</a> at the very least &#8211; Google are surely going to have to respond some way.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry</title>
		<link>http://blog.marchibbins.com/2008/10/20/everybodys-talkin/comment-page-1/#comment-30</link>
		<dc:creator>Barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 08:35:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see you&#039;ve mentioned Yahoo! has a new search platform, why aren&#039;t Google doing anything similar? Or are they? I&#039;d imagine their financial clout could be pretty useful...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see you&#8217;ve mentioned Yahoo! has a new search platform, why aren&#8217;t Google doing anything similar? Or are they? I&#8217;d imagine their financial clout could be pretty useful&#8230;</p>
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